The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. Stinking Lawyers and quota cops. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). 3. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. My gun just went off! 00:03. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. in Capitalvania. 3. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. Inside the gun, a metal piece called the sear should keep the weapon from firing until the trigger is pulled. At the risk of sounding superstitious lets review Sigs latest turd pistol. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. Im more of a DS9 guy. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. He probably had a double until it was over. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. Folks disagree on brands. . Its a novelty, its got issues! Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. Zero in the affirmative. Sig Sauer's P320 is widely used by police departments across the country, and is a big seller in the civilian market, with about half a million sold nationwide. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. In a world of "innovative" guns, this truly is an innovated design and a step in the right direction for the future of pistols. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? Was it his fault? I continue to bet my life on them. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. Again the Far Right Stupidity and hypocrisy is infinite. Sig P320 discharge while holstered. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. Period. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. You arent a gunfighter, either. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. , 54 people all shooting themselves. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Thats fine. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Sig can burn for all I care. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. JTF-2 is the only unit in. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. The problem was strikers. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. Wow new finger grooves, crazy innovation. But hey, in ruthless, lawless, Capitalvania were life is considered cheap and expendable no one gives a shit, especially the Far Right that screams about abortions and then kills off the children that were not aborted with loaded guns laying around the house. There was no holster involved. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. It may be a rotten trigger, but it does highlight the fact it has a much lighter trigger compared to classic semi-autos and revolvers. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. Fair enough. "It has a clear capacity to fire without the trigger being pulled under certain conditions," said Hilton's lawyer, Jeffrey Bagnell. Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Canadian soldier. . 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. They suck and Im awesome!, 2. That could happen easily. I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. No autographs, No self taken pictures. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. three changes to the original design. The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. 01:10. Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? Weird how that might happen. 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